In other words, they've known for a while they've Brandon'd this up and need to work to make it a soft landing for them?
Throughout this nonsense, I've wondered why there is such a lack of conscience by those that work under the tyrannical like Faucenstein, are doctors, and work for drug companies? Seriously, you're a pathetic human being if you work for any organization that has to do with keeping the jab agenda going and you knew about this.
As an addendum:- People maybe perfectly correct in the way they've made calls and decisions given the future opacity at a specific time, but they cannot prove this opacity was indeterminate or determinate without sharing with the rest of us that didn't have access to the information, what they knew and when they knew it.
The consistent pattern of censorship, selective reporting, predictably introduced arbitration and baseline adjustments does not at all make the case that those in the know are really in the know at all. They've not realized that they are not in the know because they've been blinded by their abilities to trick themselves by partitioning datasets to produce that which is amenable to their pre·di·lec·tion (their own indivudal medical choices and the population level choices made by institutions that keep them alive through funding, and letting those die that don't agree - both literally and academically)
I know I'm almost wrong about this, but believing the alternative (people are helpless psychopaths) is never(?) going to lead to better outcomes, especially if it were true that people are simply acting like conscience-free automatons in an economic whirlwind that's confiscated our abilities to tell right from wrong at an instinctive level.
I realized this in May 2020, If one cannot tell that culling millions of minks doesn't seem like the most optimum solution after zoonotic infections in the long term, then I have to understand why they did that anyway. Economic loss was borne by the individuals who took those actions, and it doesn't seem like appeals against atrocity would have made a difference. I realized right then that nobody is actually acting rationally, rather they are acting in fear (even people without a conscience have fear). I do not wish to leverage fear, I cannot leverage instinctive ethical concern (which can be trained and removed by domain specificity in humans), I can only leverage reason.
But reason requires information, if those that don't understand why something is happening and want more clarity are banished from society, including those who wish to share their reasoning and information with others, there is simply no fundamental resemblance or construction that can include empirical reasoning and predictive self-correction as the only (or at the very least, PRIMARY) force guiding our way out!
If the way forward is elimination, then so be it. I choose to eliminated by those who feared me and others like they feared the Minks, but what they will not have is my subservience and blind head-nodding when I don't understand or expect their machinations to produce the results that even they believe they want for themselves.
I try to be optimistic and try hard to brainwash myself into believing the hopelessly naive hypothesis that people are just unaware of the other's worldview. I try to maintain an even more naive belief that when we make a good faith effort to understand someone else's stated beliefs, evidence/experiences that inform those beliefs, and actions that match those beliefs, then maybe we will be able to find some common ground to build something that we both apparently want, and both apparently want to avoid. I'm open to the idea that even a person who lacks a conscience (with respect to a specific moral category) might be persuadable by other shared interests, including their own self-interest for (those who are completely free from immediate impact of adverse outcomes to others).
Yes. In Jonestown those that survived also consisted of people who didn't get a memo to run to the fields due to hearing impairments and the announcements over the sound systems.
Dr Geert Vanden Bossche wrote in a private email that Steve Kirsch made public with his permission that said the same thing in a different way. I believe he said Africa will be the only survivor is what we continue doesn't stop. This isn't because Africa has special powers, but because like Jonestown, the accidental winners will be the ones who were spared due to the rampant greed by vaccine addicts to hoard-hoard-inject-inject-infect-inject...
Hey AlmostWrong, we had a few exchanges last night. I was pretending to be gigavaxxed. ;)
What's worrisome is that I, as a novice, was predicting all this way before Malone came prominently onto the scene.
What happened was this: in February I became increasingly alarmed as to what these vaccines really were. I spent eight weeks redpilling 4Chan as to the potential dangers of these "vaccines" ('tis in the holy archives if anyone wants proof e.g. my prediction of infinity boosters...from....the 15th April...):.
Only one shot is needed to offer comprehensive protection they said.
Two shots offer almost complete protection they said.
Perhaps an annual booster would be a good idea they said.
Maybe you need to take it biannually just to be sure they said.
Well, there's no good reason not to take a quarterly top up they said.
A monthly shot isn't really a big deal is it, they said. It is after all, SAFE and EFFECTIVE.
Just take your weekly jab they said.
A daily jab is just like taking a multivitamin they said.
Listen, we know that taking a shot every hour is a pain, but it's for your own good, they said. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GET SICK WOULD YOU??????????
I realized I had "won" when the board turned decidedly sceptical of the vaccines and I saw anons create threads about ADE and other issues.
Then, all of a sudden, the shills came. From nowhere. At first they were likely bot accounts - an anime avatar with the simple message "please get vaccinated".
That didn't last long, next came the obligatory German shill/concern troll.
Then the shill thread campaign started in earnest.
What's crazy to me is that I saw all of this so early on, from the boosters to the vaccine enhanced disease. I'm not even a "scientist", just someone who can read and understand complex data (i'm a jack of all trades).
Now I am telling people that ADE almost certainly ISN'T happening, and that original antigenic sin is more likely what is going on. If I'm reading GVB correctly, ADE is very bad because the cytokine storm kills you. With OAS (pathogenic priming) this may kill people but is worse because on a societal level it is more likely to lead to escape mutants that lead to reverse herd immunity!
And for the final insult, I am the lunatic (according to normies) because I have over a thousand hours of research into this, and have communicated with most of the best scientists and doctors in the world on "our" side, and at no point have any of them told me I was full of shit, instead they have agreed with me! FML!
"it was somehow feasible that an individual non-user of a drug for a condition that individual never had, was singularly driving the evolution of drug resistance for people on that drug causing them to get the disease."
Whoops, my above rant wasn't quite what I was driving at.
As far as I am aware, I was the first person to refute a shill who claimed that the unvaccinated were creating mutants by stating something along the lines of:
"I am responsible for the antibiotic resistance of bacteria because I never used antibiotics".
Again, 'tis in the holy archives. I saw Malone say the same thing probably two months after I wrote that. Not bragging, just stating the obvious.
Finally, about drug resistance being blamed on the non-consumer of drug!
You are so right that this is one of the most insane things about the Pandemic. Discriminating against people who are not infected or injected by people who are both injected and infected is completely mind-boggling!
"Now I am telling people that ADE almost certainly ISN'T happening, and that original antigenic sin is more likely what is going on. If I'm reading GVB correctly, ADE is very bad because the cytokine storm kills you. With OAS (pathogenic priming) this may kill people but is worse because on a societal level it is more likely to lead to escape mutants that lead to reverse herd immunity!"
I'd like to know why you think ADE almost certainly isn't happening. I agree that it's an individual level hazard but antibodies is something large populations have either through infection or vaccine. Dengue vaccine was stopped for this reason. Of course, when I say "ADE" I mean any kind of Vaccine mediated enhancement of Infection Acquisition not only the narrow definition of enhanced disease through neutralizing antibodies. So, I'd include the kind of problems with HIV vaccines in the same category - Vaccine Enhanced Susceptibility to Infection.
Robert Malone was the first one who mentioned "how" we would be able to see something like this, if it was happening. He said, higher viral loads. I mentioned him because he also predicted the time frame and not just the outcome. This is difficult in Science, and much easier to do retrospectively but not prospectively. He was right, in that when the people were saying the new variants have "similar" viral loads, they meant "Higher" viral loads.
Finally, Geert was talking about ADE happening to an individual patient due to something in a specific vaccine and the host but he was talking specifically about Antibody Dependent Enhancement and I am more generally speaking about Vaccine mediated Susceptibility to Infection and Transmission. So a broader bracket so to speak.
I do not know if ADE is happening or not, but Robert Malone's prediction about enhanced viral loads is correct, Geert's prediction about population level susceptibility increasing is correct, and this time closer to the Immune Escape pathway that he's focused on. You've been paying attention and you are right of course. :)
The cases to viral copies in wastewater is higher now than ever before. This can mean one of two things: Either people are shedding more virus per infection through the fecal route, or the cases are suppressed through lack of testing.
If it's lack of testing, we will see higher positivity rates. If we don't see higher positivity rates, but still greater viral shedding through fecal route, then it means the disease has stopped being respiratory and shifted to enteric or gastrointestinal. Which maybe good or bad news, who knows.
If one checks the cases per RNA copies in the southeast United States, it's outrageously low compared to NorthEast. It can be interpreted to mean n number of things and certainly supports and invalidates, multiple hypothesis I presented to generate that prediction.
Thanks again. I need to look at this when I haven't had two glasses of wine. I design pretty complicated trading systems so will definitely do a bit of analysis of these charts.
2- Same people could be shedding more virus this time after being reinfected. The population that is susceptible to re-infection is massive this time compared to last waves, so they are more likely to shed without knowing as the pathogen is tamed from their immune systems standpoint. (This could conceivably lead to marek like situation for those not yet infected) /2
3- Children have been vaccinated. This age group is really good at cell division and replication and growth. These children who are vaccinated or unvaccinated maybe infected and the virus is unable to cause disease or infect their upper airway but they share bathrooms with adult and they may have been infected rectally. This is not impossible, China showed last novemeber first case of outbreak from people that never met in a building complex and get infected through shared sewage or leaking water. Japanese culture and asian culture focuses on taking off shoes for this reason when entering the home. /3
4- People might be getting long/mild covid and persistence infection like AIDS and winter is just the time where the temperatures are just right for best penetration of cell and replication. /4
Some other things can happen too. Maybe some systematic error is happening with sensors in Biobot. A few other more terrifying possibilities that I'd rather keep to myself unless I see more data. If you feel others could find this interesting, I could write a full post on this sub stack?
2- Same people could be shedding more virus this time after being reinfected. The population that is susceptible to re-infection is massive this time compared to last waves, so they are more likely to shed without knowing as the pathogen is tamed from their immune systems standpoint. (This could conceivably lead to marek like situation for those not yet infected) /2
This is really interesting. I read this article yesterday, which ties into the Diamond Princess data from last year:
I know you are talking about reinfection, which is also what Geert is talking about. It all depends on the severity of the symptoms. Just to give you an idea, my South African business partner is convinced he has had Covid twice (he's not vaxxed). One would assume that the first time was with the "South African" variant and the second time with Delta.
My concern with all this is that we are getting into such a massively chaotic system (the majority of the chaos caused by human intervention) it's going to be a nightmare to untangle this Gordian Knot.
As for a Marek's disease scenario, I'm not convinced. I'm more concerned that the vaccinees are far more vulnerable at the current time, and as far as I know, the Pfizer CEO and Bill Gates remain unvaxxed, and I doubt they would allow a situation where they need to "eat their own cooking"!
3- Children have been vaccinated. This age group is really good at cell division and replication and growth. These children who are vaccinated or unvaccinated maybe infected and the virus is unable to cause disease or infect their upper airway but they share bathrooms with adult and they may have been infected rectally. This is not impossible, China showed last novemeber first case of outbreak from people that never met in a building complex and get infected through shared sewage or leaking water. Japanese culture and asian culture focuses on taking off shoes for this reason when entering the home. /3
- I remember that incident in China that you are referring to. I will see if I can find any papers on this subject, it is definitely worth of more research.
4- People might be getting long/mild covid and persistence infection like AIDS and winter is just the time where the temperatures are just right for best penetration of cell and replication. /4
- I'm aware of the speculation regarding vaccinees as potentially developing a non-HIV AIDS type condition. I know Montagnier and the Indian researchers showed HIV inserts into the spike. If you would like to elaborate on this point I would be very interested to hear what you think.
Some other things can happen too. Maybe some systematic error is happening with sensors in Biobot. A few other more terrifying possibilities that I'd rather keep to myself unless I see more data. If you feel others could find this interesting, I could write a full post on this sub stack?
- Honestly, don't hold back. I too have uncovered some pretty horrifying information that appears to confirm a hypothesis I developed in April. I've decided to try and make it public to the greatest extent that I can, so I suggest you do the same.
I think that we are at war, and we need to expose as much of what is going on as is humanly possible. So yes, please post to your Sub, I would be very grateful to read your ideas, and it may well help us other researchers with our work as well.
When I am confident that I have a 'good enough' grasp of objective measures to detect without exception any type of VD (Vaccine Danger regardless of severity) then I will make a passing remark about possibilities and how those types of possibilities however rare and unlikely should be amenable to detection if happening).
I feel I have an obligation not to contribute to fear and paranoia, especially, when the authorities are misusing the art of generating possibilities with the immorality of sitting on asymmetric information, presenting it in a twisted way with the only intention of engineering outcomes they desire from a willing populace rather than inform the public and help them make decisions they desire for themselves and the collective independently.
There is a thing called nocebo effect which the health authorities have used to generate worse outcomes for people who are already susceptible and I don't want to do the same, unknowingly unless I am 100% sure I am right.
Thank you so much for your stimulating discussion, I will respond to some of your other points but don't feel compelled to reply. It's merely an act of getting my thoughts out to you with no expectations in return.
Rest well. Let's end the pandemic as soon as we can. And free discussion will make that faster. I hope anyway.
I should add, other things could also explain the data here of huge bolus of viral RNA copies without a corresponding rise in cases in fecal water (aggregate statistics) other than test positivity and shedding dynamics of disease.
1-Early treatment with drugs that inhibit drug sensitive pathogens can increases stool shedding of more replication competent pathogens variants without showing up in the respiratory tract and causing disease.
-Way to spot this would be to see difference of viral copies in wastewater where a cohort was being treated with oral drugs (say doxycycline, molnupivir, ivermectin, Pfizer's Protease Inhibitor) vs injected drugs (remdesivir)
Clearing the gut of pathogens that were competing for finite resources may assist the immune system in defeating the main pathogen but it can enable the other pathogen to then take over in a flare-up, though never detectable in the same route.
This is why Chinese do anal swabs and blood tests. Just removing the virus from the respiratory tract does just that, prevents Covid symptoms and covid disease, but SARS-COV-2 can replicate in other parts of the body and shed and infect others and perhaps disease in new ways undetectable or unrecognized officially as COVID-19. /1
This is really fascinating. I am of course aware of the anal swabs and the analysis of wastewater, but I have never heard anyone propose that there may be more to this before. Really good analysis.
I take your points. I think the problem is that outside of Dengue, ADE is pretty much unheard of, so different people have different definitions. I have listened to interviews with Dolores Cahill and her definition was different to Dr. Malone's (I found his description, as you outlined above, surprising because I had never heard that before).
I remember this being mentioned specifically in, I think, an article from International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research - the phenomena is still not particularly well-understood.
I think the basic way of describing ADE is: binding antibodies assist the virus and both attack the host's cells, leading to enhanced disease and a cytokine storm.
The fear was that this was going to be a massive disaster that would result in huge numbers of deaths in the vaccinated. If it was going to be that extreme, then I am sure we would have seen it by now (note: I think there is evidence of ADE in countries that used the SinoVac).
Part of the problem is you can't know if someone who has been vaxxed would have had a better or worse outcome because it is impossible to compare two events in the same timeline (with our current constraints of physics!).
In terms of Geert, I am very sure he is talking about OAS, but he does drop the term ADE in there as well. It's confusing.
I've been thinking for a while, as you suggest, that using "Vaccine Enhanced Disease" would be a far better idea, as we then don't need to get into the weeds of technicalities. In that respect, yes, I agree, because we are seeing more hospitalizations and deaths this year than we did before we had the gene therapy lasy year.
I think the people who were skeptical of "Vaccine Effectiveness" given the history of Vaccine Danger (VD a term I want used instead) associated with coronavirus vaccine efforts in the past, jumped onto "ADE" as a specific hazard that's not merely theoretical but actual. I imagine it was easier to latch onto because the proponents of these theoretical risks were publishing cautionary papers on it in the Trump era of US FDA.
Perhaps, this primed the population to take that specific risk more seriously at the cost of others like the ones that Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and Prof. Andrew Read talked about. One of those is related to OAS as you and others point out, but not mass vaccination per se as Dr. Bossche is focused on which drives infectious and immune escape evolution. Dr. Read's thesis is not related to either but persistence of virulence through vaccination that affects those in the population that have no antigenic experience. Dr. Malone's contribution was to expand this narrow definition to make people focus on pathogenicity though many other pathways and not just the FC2 receptor is I recall in a discussion he had with Geert Vanden Bossche on Vejon Health.
Recently Dr. Boscche spoke of a combination of these different mechanisms contributing to something like Dr. Read's Marek research but in the vaccinated. Again, the word used was "ADE" but it's complicated because he was talking about a possibility of change of ACE2 receptor as primacy binding in a viral mutant.
What I see basically, is a very rich and diverse set of possibilities and that focusing too much on mechanisms without measuring outcomes will lead to missing the forest for the trees. If infections are higher, does severity of outcome matter? Maybe, does outcome for vaccinated or unvaccinated matter? Maybe. These are secondary and tertiary level analysis which are important only and only if we are certain that the primary concern -> new infections are actually reducing and predictably and permanently reducing. We've not setup and objective means to measure this 24 months into the pandemic. This is what bothers me. because the other results are downstream from infections and people can come together and figure out treatment, severity, future susceptibility etc. But there is no focus on infections and how spectacularly wrong our collective efforts have been, and there is no reckoning either.
We have three different types of things happening -> Immune escape, infectiousness, and virulence. But all these things are academic in the face of rising prevalence which is the first and foremost measurement we should have a hold on, not government dictations on CT value gaming and "reinfections only after 90 days counted". Stuff like that compeltely obscures the evolution of the population level dynamics!
What I see basically, is a very rich and diverse set of possibilities and that focusing too much on mechanisms without measuring outcomes will lead to missing the forest for the trees.
- I agree.
If infections are higher, does severity of outcome matter? Maybe,
- I would argue that this is a pseudo-pandemic overall and that in fact the "casedemic" from flawed testing is the major driver of all the problems (that and deaths 28 days after a positive PCR test). The data is a complete disaster. I personally don't pay any attention to cases, only hospitalizations and deaths.
does outcome for vaccinated or unvaccinated matter? Maybe.
- Yes, because the unvaxxed are the only thing we have that could be described as a "control group" for this experiment at this point. You see how they are trying to blame the massive rise in heart attack numbers on such idiocy as "climate change" or "pandemic stress disorder". We cannot allow them to gaslight with this nonsense, and they would probably get away with it without the unvaxxed.
These are secondary and tertiary level analysis which are important only and only if we are certain that the primary concern -> new infections are actually reducing and predictably and permanently reducing. We've not setup and objective means to measure this 24 months into the pandemic.
- I can't argue with that, as I said the data is a joke.
This is what bothers me. because the other results are downstream from infections and people can come together and figure out treatment, severity, future susceptibility etc. But there is no focus on infections and how spectacularly wrong our collective efforts have been, and there is no reckoning either.
- There will be a reckoning, mark my words. :)
We have three different types of things happening -> Immune escape, infectiousness, and virulence. But all these things are academic in the face of rising prevalence which is the first and foremost measurement we should have a hold on, not government dictations on CT value gaming and "reinfections only after 90 days counted". Stuff like that compeltely obscures the evolution of the population level dynamics!
- 100% agreed. But we will never get the uncorrupted data so we just need to work with what we have.
Thank you, this is extremely helpful and very well stated. I also watched that episode of Vejon Health but I was a bit distracted from what was being said because the host kept getting completely lost on the technicalities, so my attention was more drawn to the comedic aspect of it.
I will watch it again and pay more attention this time.
I think the fact the host, who is obviously a very clever man, was getting lost just illustrates what we are both saying. I like your term, it is simple, elegant and to the point. Vaccine Danger (VD): I will use this going forward.
Thank you! I agree. The reason why this field is a mess is because people are not focused on measurement like other basic sciences such as aeronautics or current and electricity or solid state physics.
I can understand why this is the case because objects and outcomes associated with outcomes can be improved dramatically and quickly simply by observation and iteration. This is not as easy when working with the human body as adverse outcomes are not emotionally detached events. It's painful for a treating doctor to see their patients suffer or die and it's difficult for health officials to be too open about discovering whether their actions are having terrible collective outcomes. I understand this fundamentally as a human being, but science is about trying to live with our mistakes and trying to improve upon them rather than trying to cover them up or refusing to look properly. That's the most frustrating part in this pandemic. The public will forgive the honest person making an mistake and trying to make amends, but public may not be able to forgive those who knew better but kept silent. I also understand that the lives of medical professionals is full of stress, grief and coping with death and threats from grieving patients. So not taking responsibility is almost reflexive, like an immune response, because if a doctor has to come to terms with a bad call, it might haunt them for life and prevent them from helping others or worse commit suicide out of despair (has happened in the pandemic).
Yes, I do remember. And you are right that many people such as yourself were onto the vaccine negative effectiveness by March despite the protestations of experts. Dr. Malone only showed up and rallied the crowds and provided leadership and a face that would steer people away from "5G, Magnetism" type of concerns and conspiracies. For that I am thankful to him and Geert because the leaders of the intervention skeptic crowd were unnecessarily and dangerously optimistic about the pandemic.
"I realized I had "won" when the board turned decidedly sceptical of the vaccines and I saw anons create threads about ADE and other issues."
Thank you! Your efforts paid off. Everyone is grateful for your time and effort you invested in trying to interpret the facts and bringing more facts to the conversation than we are lead to believe provides us the full picture.
As you mentioned, there was/is a clear an concerted effort to deplatform and banned people from the conversations on twitter and likely add astroturfing bots to remove "vaccine hesitancy". I know the banning is real because I've been banned from twitter for years.
"Dr. Malone only showed up and rallied the crowds and provided leadership and a face that would steer people away from "5G, Magnetism" type of concerns and conspiracies. For that I am thankful to him and Geert because the leaders of the intervention skeptic crowd were unnecessarily and dangerously optimistic about the pandemic."
Not knocking him at all, he's put everything on the line and if a fantastic human being. He also has the courage to say "I was wrong" and is now completely aware of the broader agenda. It takes far more courage than I have exhibited to do what he has done.
I really get the impression we are all working as some form of collective hive mind. It's hilarious when you see someone prominent saying something almost verbatim that you came up with and posted months ago. :)
Not sure what's going on with Substack, I am now receiving hundreds of emails from last night and earlier today for some reason.
I purposefully chose 4Chan because it's a free speech platform and, although nowhere near as influential as in 2016, it's still the crucible of the Internet.
I note that The Daily Mail has swung completely in recent weeks (I just go there to check the comments). Sportspeople dropping like flies has really woken the normies up. As I predicted ages ago, the adverse reactions, and people catching Covid, will probably tip the balance in our favour.
The danger there is that the people pushing this will really start turning the screws before they completely lose the narrative and things start getting really ugly (for them).
Last but not least- I chose Dr. Malone and Dr. Bossche as a focal point in the piece not because others are not more brilliant or more capable, but because unfortunately we currently live in a world where signaling and credentialism is the currency. We are not allowed a seat at the table if we don't know the right people, worked for the right institutions, and are acclaimed in "traditional" sense.
People want solutions, they want to see proof that people have been right when everyone they've trusted was wrong. So, I was aiming my piece at people who are open to listening and want to end the pandemic. These individuals are provably correct and experienced enough that people can feel "safe" psychologically when consulting them over anonymous Substack writers (who are no less brilliant! but can't prove it beause they are almost wrong😉 )
What is explained here is perhaps the impetus behind this?
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/11/reports/us-uk-intel-agencies-declare-cyber-war-on-independent-media/
In other words, they've known for a while they've Brandon'd this up and need to work to make it a soft landing for them?
Throughout this nonsense, I've wondered why there is such a lack of conscience by those that work under the tyrannical like Faucenstein, are doctors, and work for drug companies? Seriously, you're a pathetic human being if you work for any organization that has to do with keeping the jab agenda going and you knew about this.
As an addendum:- People maybe perfectly correct in the way they've made calls and decisions given the future opacity at a specific time, but they cannot prove this opacity was indeterminate or determinate without sharing with the rest of us that didn't have access to the information, what they knew and when they knew it.
The consistent pattern of censorship, selective reporting, predictably introduced arbitration and baseline adjustments does not at all make the case that those in the know are really in the know at all. They've not realized that they are not in the know because they've been blinded by their abilities to trick themselves by partitioning datasets to produce that which is amenable to their pre·di·lec·tion (their own indivudal medical choices and the population level choices made by institutions that keep them alive through funding, and letting those die that don't agree - both literally and academically)
(Continued From Last)
I know I'm almost wrong about this, but believing the alternative (people are helpless psychopaths) is never(?) going to lead to better outcomes, especially if it were true that people are simply acting like conscience-free automatons in an economic whirlwind that's confiscated our abilities to tell right from wrong at an instinctive level.
I realized this in May 2020, If one cannot tell that culling millions of minks doesn't seem like the most optimum solution after zoonotic infections in the long term, then I have to understand why they did that anyway. Economic loss was borne by the individuals who took those actions, and it doesn't seem like appeals against atrocity would have made a difference. I realized right then that nobody is actually acting rationally, rather they are acting in fear (even people without a conscience have fear). I do not wish to leverage fear, I cannot leverage instinctive ethical concern (which can be trained and removed by domain specificity in humans), I can only leverage reason.
But reason requires information, if those that don't understand why something is happening and want more clarity are banished from society, including those who wish to share their reasoning and information with others, there is simply no fundamental resemblance or construction that can include empirical reasoning and predictive self-correction as the only (or at the very least, PRIMARY) force guiding our way out!
If the way forward is elimination, then so be it. I choose to eliminated by those who feared me and others like they feared the Minks, but what they will not have is my subservience and blind head-nodding when I don't understand or expect their machinations to produce the results that even they believe they want for themselves.
Thank you for sharing that article.
I try to be optimistic and try hard to brainwash myself into believing the hopelessly naive hypothesis that people are just unaware of the other's worldview. I try to maintain an even more naive belief that when we make a good faith effort to understand someone else's stated beliefs, evidence/experiences that inform those beliefs, and actions that match those beliefs, then maybe we will be able to find some common ground to build something that we both apparently want, and both apparently want to avoid. I'm open to the idea that even a person who lacks a conscience (with respect to a specific moral category) might be persuadable by other shared interests, including their own self-interest for (those who are completely free from immediate impact of adverse outcomes to others).
Parallels to Jonestown on a massive scale
Yes. In Jonestown those that survived also consisted of people who didn't get a memo to run to the fields due to hearing impairments and the announcements over the sound systems.
Dr Geert Vanden Bossche wrote in a private email that Steve Kirsch made public with his permission that said the same thing in a different way. I believe he said Africa will be the only survivor is what we continue doesn't stop. This isn't because Africa has special powers, but because like Jonestown, the accidental winners will be the ones who were spared due to the rampant greed by vaccine addicts to hoard-hoard-inject-inject-infect-inject...
Hey AlmostWrong, we had a few exchanges last night. I was pretending to be gigavaxxed. ;)
What's worrisome is that I, as a novice, was predicting all this way before Malone came prominently onto the scene.
What happened was this: in February I became increasingly alarmed as to what these vaccines really were. I spent eight weeks redpilling 4Chan as to the potential dangers of these "vaccines" ('tis in the holy archives if anyone wants proof e.g. my prediction of infinity boosters...from....the 15th April...):.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/316965341/#316976743
Only one shot is needed to offer comprehensive protection they said.
Two shots offer almost complete protection they said.
Perhaps an annual booster would be a good idea they said.
Maybe you need to take it biannually just to be sure they said.
Well, there's no good reason not to take a quarterly top up they said.
A monthly shot isn't really a big deal is it, they said. It is after all, SAFE and EFFECTIVE.
Just take your weekly jab they said.
A daily jab is just like taking a multivitamin they said.
Listen, we know that taking a shot every hour is a pain, but it's for your own good, they said. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GET SICK WOULD YOU??????????
I realized I had "won" when the board turned decidedly sceptical of the vaccines and I saw anons create threads about ADE and other issues.
Then, all of a sudden, the shills came. From nowhere. At first they were likely bot accounts - an anime avatar with the simple message "please get vaccinated".
That didn't last long, next came the obligatory German shill/concern troll.
Then the shill thread campaign started in earnest.
What's crazy to me is that I saw all of this so early on, from the boosters to the vaccine enhanced disease. I'm not even a "scientist", just someone who can read and understand complex data (i'm a jack of all trades).
Now I am telling people that ADE almost certainly ISN'T happening, and that original antigenic sin is more likely what is going on. If I'm reading GVB correctly, ADE is very bad because the cytokine storm kills you. With OAS (pathogenic priming) this may kill people but is worse because on a societal level it is more likely to lead to escape mutants that lead to reverse herd immunity!
And for the final insult, I am the lunatic (according to normies) because I have over a thousand hours of research into this, and have communicated with most of the best scientists and doctors in the world on "our" side, and at no point have any of them told me I was full of shit, instead they have agreed with me! FML!
"it was somehow feasible that an individual non-user of a drug for a condition that individual never had, was singularly driving the evolution of drug resistance for people on that drug causing them to get the disease."
Whoops, my above rant wasn't quite what I was driving at.
As far as I am aware, I was the first person to refute a shill who claimed that the unvaccinated were creating mutants by stating something along the lines of:
"I am responsible for the antibiotic resistance of bacteria because I never used antibiotics".
Again, 'tis in the holy archives. I saw Malone say the same thing probably two months after I wrote that. Not bragging, just stating the obvious.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/333932557/#333951380
>No, you are creating variants that can bypass the vaccine. You are literally a murderer
70 years of epidemiological data shows that using a non-sterilizing vaccine in a pandemic causes dangerous mutations.
It's the same phenomena as using antibiotics. If you don't finish a course you get antibiotic resistant strains over time.
Because vaccines mutate much much faster than bacteria, problems can arise much faster in a viral pandemic.
Accusing me of being a murder is akin to accusing me of being a murderer because I have never used antibiotics before.
Because I never used antibiotics, I am responsible for antibiotic super bacteria.
Seriously mate this is epidemiology 101.
Finally, about drug resistance being blamed on the non-consumer of drug!
You are so right that this is one of the most insane things about the Pandemic. Discriminating against people who are not infected or injected by people who are both injected and infected is completely mind-boggling!
"Now I am telling people that ADE almost certainly ISN'T happening, and that original antigenic sin is more likely what is going on. If I'm reading GVB correctly, ADE is very bad because the cytokine storm kills you. With OAS (pathogenic priming) this may kill people but is worse because on a societal level it is more likely to lead to escape mutants that lead to reverse herd immunity!"
I'd like to know why you think ADE almost certainly isn't happening. I agree that it's an individual level hazard but antibodies is something large populations have either through infection or vaccine. Dengue vaccine was stopped for this reason. Of course, when I say "ADE" I mean any kind of Vaccine mediated enhancement of Infection Acquisition not only the narrow definition of enhanced disease through neutralizing antibodies. So, I'd include the kind of problems with HIV vaccines in the same category - Vaccine Enhanced Susceptibility to Infection.
Robert Malone was the first one who mentioned "how" we would be able to see something like this, if it was happening. He said, higher viral loads. I mentioned him because he also predicted the time frame and not just the outcome. This is difficult in Science, and much easier to do retrospectively but not prospectively. He was right, in that when the people were saying the new variants have "similar" viral loads, they meant "Higher" viral loads.
Finally, Geert was talking about ADE happening to an individual patient due to something in a specific vaccine and the host but he was talking specifically about Antibody Dependent Enhancement and I am more generally speaking about Vaccine mediated Susceptibility to Infection and Transmission. So a broader bracket so to speak.
I do not know if ADE is happening or not, but Robert Malone's prediction about enhanced viral loads is correct, Geert's prediction about population level susceptibility increasing is correct, and this time closer to the Immune Escape pathway that he's focused on. You've been paying attention and you are right of course. :)
The cases to viral copies in wastewater is higher now than ever before. This can mean one of two things: Either people are shedding more virus per infection through the fecal route, or the cases are suppressed through lack of testing.
If it's lack of testing, we will see higher positivity rates. If we don't see higher positivity rates, but still greater viral shedding through fecal route, then it means the disease has stopped being respiratory and shifted to enteric or gastrointestinal. Which maybe good or bad news, who knows.
Wastewater data: https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm
https://biobot.io/data/
If one checks the cases per RNA copies in the southeast United States, it's outrageously low compared to NorthEast. It can be interpreted to mean n number of things and certainly supports and invalidates, multiple hypothesis I presented to generate that prediction.
This has been a brilliant conversation and I really thank you for the opportunity to have this discussion.
À bientôt. :)
Thanks again. I need to look at this when I haven't had two glasses of wine. I design pretty complicated trading systems so will definitely do a bit of analysis of these charts.
2- Same people could be shedding more virus this time after being reinfected. The population that is susceptible to re-infection is massive this time compared to last waves, so they are more likely to shed without knowing as the pathogen is tamed from their immune systems standpoint. (This could conceivably lead to marek like situation for those not yet infected) /2
3- Children have been vaccinated. This age group is really good at cell division and replication and growth. These children who are vaccinated or unvaccinated maybe infected and the virus is unable to cause disease or infect their upper airway but they share bathrooms with adult and they may have been infected rectally. This is not impossible, China showed last novemeber first case of outbreak from people that never met in a building complex and get infected through shared sewage or leaking water. Japanese culture and asian culture focuses on taking off shoes for this reason when entering the home. /3
4- People might be getting long/mild covid and persistence infection like AIDS and winter is just the time where the temperatures are just right for best penetration of cell and replication. /4
Some other things can happen too. Maybe some systematic error is happening with sensors in Biobot. A few other more terrifying possibilities that I'd rather keep to myself unless I see more data. If you feel others could find this interesting, I could write a full post on this sub stack?
2- Same people could be shedding more virus this time after being reinfected. The population that is susceptible to re-infection is massive this time compared to last waves, so they are more likely to shed without knowing as the pathogen is tamed from their immune systems standpoint. (This could conceivably lead to marek like situation for those not yet infected) /2
This is really interesting. I read this article yesterday, which ties into the Diamond Princess data from last year:
https://www.hartgroup.org/only-a-fraction-of-the-population-are-susceptible-to-each-variant/
I know you are talking about reinfection, which is also what Geert is talking about. It all depends on the severity of the symptoms. Just to give you an idea, my South African business partner is convinced he has had Covid twice (he's not vaxxed). One would assume that the first time was with the "South African" variant and the second time with Delta.
My concern with all this is that we are getting into such a massively chaotic system (the majority of the chaos caused by human intervention) it's going to be a nightmare to untangle this Gordian Knot.
As for a Marek's disease scenario, I'm not convinced. I'm more concerned that the vaccinees are far more vulnerable at the current time, and as far as I know, the Pfizer CEO and Bill Gates remain unvaxxed, and I doubt they would allow a situation where they need to "eat their own cooking"!
3- Children have been vaccinated. This age group is really good at cell division and replication and growth. These children who are vaccinated or unvaccinated maybe infected and the virus is unable to cause disease or infect their upper airway but they share bathrooms with adult and they may have been infected rectally. This is not impossible, China showed last novemeber first case of outbreak from people that never met in a building complex and get infected through shared sewage or leaking water. Japanese culture and asian culture focuses on taking off shoes for this reason when entering the home. /3
- I remember that incident in China that you are referring to. I will see if I can find any papers on this subject, it is definitely worth of more research.
4- People might be getting long/mild covid and persistence infection like AIDS and winter is just the time where the temperatures are just right for best penetration of cell and replication. /4
- I'm aware of the speculation regarding vaccinees as potentially developing a non-HIV AIDS type condition. I know Montagnier and the Indian researchers showed HIV inserts into the spike. If you would like to elaborate on this point I would be very interested to hear what you think.
Some other things can happen too. Maybe some systematic error is happening with sensors in Biobot. A few other more terrifying possibilities that I'd rather keep to myself unless I see more data. If you feel others could find this interesting, I could write a full post on this sub stack?
- Honestly, don't hold back. I too have uncovered some pretty horrifying information that appears to confirm a hypothesis I developed in April. I've decided to try and make it public to the greatest extent that I can, so I suggest you do the same.
I think that we are at war, and we need to expose as much of what is going on as is humanly possible. So yes, please post to your Sub, I would be very grateful to read your ideas, and it may well help us other researchers with our work as well.
When I am confident that I have a 'good enough' grasp of objective measures to detect without exception any type of VD (Vaccine Danger regardless of severity) then I will make a passing remark about possibilities and how those types of possibilities however rare and unlikely should be amenable to detection if happening).
I feel I have an obligation not to contribute to fear and paranoia, especially, when the authorities are misusing the art of generating possibilities with the immorality of sitting on asymmetric information, presenting it in a twisted way with the only intention of engineering outcomes they desire from a willing populace rather than inform the public and help them make decisions they desire for themselves and the collective independently.
There is a thing called nocebo effect which the health authorities have used to generate worse outcomes for people who are already susceptible and I don't want to do the same, unknowingly unless I am 100% sure I am right.
Thank you so much for your stimulating discussion, I will respond to some of your other points but don't feel compelled to reply. It's merely an act of getting my thoughts out to you with no expectations in return.
Rest well. Let's end the pandemic as soon as we can. And free discussion will make that faster. I hope anyway.
I should add, other things could also explain the data here of huge bolus of viral RNA copies without a corresponding rise in cases in fecal water (aggregate statistics) other than test positivity and shedding dynamics of disease.
1-Early treatment with drugs that inhibit drug sensitive pathogens can increases stool shedding of more replication competent pathogens variants without showing up in the respiratory tract and causing disease.
-Way to spot this would be to see difference of viral copies in wastewater where a cohort was being treated with oral drugs (say doxycycline, molnupivir, ivermectin, Pfizer's Protease Inhibitor) vs injected drugs (remdesivir)
Clearing the gut of pathogens that were competing for finite resources may assist the immune system in defeating the main pathogen but it can enable the other pathogen to then take over in a flare-up, though never detectable in the same route.
This is why Chinese do anal swabs and blood tests. Just removing the virus from the respiratory tract does just that, prevents Covid symptoms and covid disease, but SARS-COV-2 can replicate in other parts of the body and shed and infect others and perhaps disease in new ways undetectable or unrecognized officially as COVID-19. /1
This is really fascinating. I am of course aware of the anal swabs and the analysis of wastewater, but I have never heard anyone propose that there may be more to this before. Really good analysis.
This is really interesting, thank you.
I take your points. I think the problem is that outside of Dengue, ADE is pretty much unheard of, so different people have different definitions. I have listened to interviews with Dolores Cahill and her definition was different to Dr. Malone's (I found his description, as you outlined above, surprising because I had never heard that before).
I remember this being mentioned specifically in, I think, an article from International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research - the phenomena is still not particularly well-understood.
I think the basic way of describing ADE is: binding antibodies assist the virus and both attack the host's cells, leading to enhanced disease and a cytokine storm.
The fear was that this was going to be a massive disaster that would result in huge numbers of deaths in the vaccinated. If it was going to be that extreme, then I am sure we would have seen it by now (note: I think there is evidence of ADE in countries that used the SinoVac).
Part of the problem is you can't know if someone who has been vaxxed would have had a better or worse outcome because it is impossible to compare two events in the same timeline (with our current constraints of physics!).
In terms of Geert, I am very sure he is talking about OAS, but he does drop the term ADE in there as well. It's confusing.
I've been thinking for a while, as you suggest, that using "Vaccine Enhanced Disease" would be a far better idea, as we then don't need to get into the weeds of technicalities. In that respect, yes, I agree, because we are seeing more hospitalizations and deaths this year than we did before we had the gene therapy lasy year.
I think the people who were skeptical of "Vaccine Effectiveness" given the history of Vaccine Danger (VD a term I want used instead) associated with coronavirus vaccine efforts in the past, jumped onto "ADE" as a specific hazard that's not merely theoretical but actual. I imagine it was easier to latch onto because the proponents of these theoretical risks were publishing cautionary papers on it in the Trump era of US FDA.
Perhaps, this primed the population to take that specific risk more seriously at the cost of others like the ones that Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and Prof. Andrew Read talked about. One of those is related to OAS as you and others point out, but not mass vaccination per se as Dr. Bossche is focused on which drives infectious and immune escape evolution. Dr. Read's thesis is not related to either but persistence of virulence through vaccination that affects those in the population that have no antigenic experience. Dr. Malone's contribution was to expand this narrow definition to make people focus on pathogenicity though many other pathways and not just the FC2 receptor is I recall in a discussion he had with Geert Vanden Bossche on Vejon Health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP31cfD3YOY
Recently Dr. Boscche spoke of a combination of these different mechanisms contributing to something like Dr. Read's Marek research but in the vaccinated. Again, the word used was "ADE" but it's complicated because he was talking about a possibility of change of ACE2 receptor as primacy binding in a viral mutant.
What I see basically, is a very rich and diverse set of possibilities and that focusing too much on mechanisms without measuring outcomes will lead to missing the forest for the trees. If infections are higher, does severity of outcome matter? Maybe, does outcome for vaccinated or unvaccinated matter? Maybe. These are secondary and tertiary level analysis which are important only and only if we are certain that the primary concern -> new infections are actually reducing and predictably and permanently reducing. We've not setup and objective means to measure this 24 months into the pandemic. This is what bothers me. because the other results are downstream from infections and people can come together and figure out treatment, severity, future susceptibility etc. But there is no focus on infections and how spectacularly wrong our collective efforts have been, and there is no reckoning either.
We have three different types of things happening -> Immune escape, infectiousness, and virulence. But all these things are academic in the face of rising prevalence which is the first and foremost measurement we should have a hold on, not government dictations on CT value gaming and "reinfections only after 90 days counted". Stuff like that compeltely obscures the evolution of the population level dynamics!
There's a lot to chew on here.
What I see basically, is a very rich and diverse set of possibilities and that focusing too much on mechanisms without measuring outcomes will lead to missing the forest for the trees.
- I agree.
If infections are higher, does severity of outcome matter? Maybe,
- I would argue that this is a pseudo-pandemic overall and that in fact the "casedemic" from flawed testing is the major driver of all the problems (that and deaths 28 days after a positive PCR test). The data is a complete disaster. I personally don't pay any attention to cases, only hospitalizations and deaths.
does outcome for vaccinated or unvaccinated matter? Maybe.
- Yes, because the unvaxxed are the only thing we have that could be described as a "control group" for this experiment at this point. You see how they are trying to blame the massive rise in heart attack numbers on such idiocy as "climate change" or "pandemic stress disorder". We cannot allow them to gaslight with this nonsense, and they would probably get away with it without the unvaxxed.
These are secondary and tertiary level analysis which are important only and only if we are certain that the primary concern -> new infections are actually reducing and predictably and permanently reducing. We've not setup and objective means to measure this 24 months into the pandemic.
- I can't argue with that, as I said the data is a joke.
This is what bothers me. because the other results are downstream from infections and people can come together and figure out treatment, severity, future susceptibility etc. But there is no focus on infections and how spectacularly wrong our collective efforts have been, and there is no reckoning either.
- There will be a reckoning, mark my words. :)
We have three different types of things happening -> Immune escape, infectiousness, and virulence. But all these things are academic in the face of rising prevalence which is the first and foremost measurement we should have a hold on, not government dictations on CT value gaming and "reinfections only after 90 days counted". Stuff like that compeltely obscures the evolution of the population level dynamics!
- 100% agreed. But we will never get the uncorrupted data so we just need to work with what we have.
I still can't believe how much of a mess this is.
Thank you, this is extremely helpful and very well stated. I also watched that episode of Vejon Health but I was a bit distracted from what was being said because the host kept getting completely lost on the technicalities, so my attention was more drawn to the comedic aspect of it.
I will watch it again and pay more attention this time.
I think the fact the host, who is obviously a very clever man, was getting lost just illustrates what we are both saying. I like your term, it is simple, elegant and to the point. Vaccine Danger (VD): I will use this going forward.
Thank you! I agree. The reason why this field is a mess is because people are not focused on measurement like other basic sciences such as aeronautics or current and electricity or solid state physics.
I can understand why this is the case because objects and outcomes associated with outcomes can be improved dramatically and quickly simply by observation and iteration. This is not as easy when working with the human body as adverse outcomes are not emotionally detached events. It's painful for a treating doctor to see their patients suffer or die and it's difficult for health officials to be too open about discovering whether their actions are having terrible collective outcomes. I understand this fundamentally as a human being, but science is about trying to live with our mistakes and trying to improve upon them rather than trying to cover them up or refusing to look properly. That's the most frustrating part in this pandemic. The public will forgive the honest person making an mistake and trying to make amends, but public may not be able to forgive those who knew better but kept silent. I also understand that the lives of medical professionals is full of stress, grief and coping with death and threats from grieving patients. So not taking responsibility is almost reflexive, like an immune response, because if a doctor has to come to terms with a bad call, it might haunt them for life and prevent them from helping others or worse commit suicide out of despair (has happened in the pandemic).
Yes, I do remember. And you are right that many people such as yourself were onto the vaccine negative effectiveness by March despite the protestations of experts. Dr. Malone only showed up and rallied the crowds and provided leadership and a face that would steer people away from "5G, Magnetism" type of concerns and conspiracies. For that I am thankful to him and Geert because the leaders of the intervention skeptic crowd were unnecessarily and dangerously optimistic about the pandemic.
"I realized I had "won" when the board turned decidedly sceptical of the vaccines and I saw anons create threads about ADE and other issues."
Thank you! Your efforts paid off. Everyone is grateful for your time and effort you invested in trying to interpret the facts and bringing more facts to the conversation than we are lead to believe provides us the full picture.
As you mentioned, there was/is a clear an concerted effort to deplatform and banned people from the conversations on twitter and likely add astroturfing bots to remove "vaccine hesitancy". I know the banning is real because I've been banned from twitter for years.
"Dr. Malone only showed up and rallied the crowds and provided leadership and a face that would steer people away from "5G, Magnetism" type of concerns and conspiracies. For that I am thankful to him and Geert because the leaders of the intervention skeptic crowd were unnecessarily and dangerously optimistic about the pandemic."
Not knocking him at all, he's put everything on the line and if a fantastic human being. He also has the courage to say "I was wrong" and is now completely aware of the broader agenda. It takes far more courage than I have exhibited to do what he has done.
I really get the impression we are all working as some form of collective hive mind. It's hilarious when you see someone prominent saying something almost verbatim that you came up with and posted months ago. :)
Not sure what's going on with Substack, I am now receiving hundreds of emails from last night and earlier today for some reason.
I purposefully chose 4Chan because it's a free speech platform and, although nowhere near as influential as in 2016, it's still the crucible of the Internet.
I note that The Daily Mail has swung completely in recent weeks (I just go there to check the comments). Sportspeople dropping like flies has really woken the normies up. As I predicted ages ago, the adverse reactions, and people catching Covid, will probably tip the balance in our favour.
The danger there is that the people pushing this will really start turning the screws before they completely lose the narrative and things start getting really ugly (for them).
Because vaccines mutate
Yes...I know, but even the "president" of the USA made that mistake...
Last but not least- I chose Dr. Malone and Dr. Bossche as a focal point in the piece not because others are not more brilliant or more capable, but because unfortunately we currently live in a world where signaling and credentialism is the currency. We are not allowed a seat at the table if we don't know the right people, worked for the right institutions, and are acclaimed in "traditional" sense.
People want solutions, they want to see proof that people have been right when everyone they've trusted was wrong. So, I was aiming my piece at people who are open to listening and want to end the pandemic. These individuals are provably correct and experienced enough that people can feel "safe" psychologically when consulting them over anonymous Substack writers (who are no less brilliant! but can't prove it beause they are almost wrong😉 )